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Post by Spooky on Feb 6, 2008 17:48:45 GMT -5
I've always wanted to learn how to knit.....there's always a possibility there.
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 7, 2008 8:45:18 GMT -5
How the hell do you know so many details about what they do in loony bins? I think you're not telling us something LOL!! Shit.
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Post by Spooky on Feb 7, 2008 16:04:21 GMT -5
I believe he's guilty of conspiracy in the LaBianca case and I believe he's not loony and is, therefore, where he belongs. Do you think he was involved in any way with the Tate murders?
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 7, 2008 17:06:27 GMT -5
I believe he's guilty of conspiracy in the LaBianca case and I believe he's not loony and is, therefore, where he belongs. Do you think he was involved in any way with the Tate murders? I do. There are connections to Charlie and the Ceilo Drive house.
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 7, 2008 17:21:51 GMT -5
Here is a tour of the Polanski/Tate house before demo. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEwkDL78lAI am wondering if it was when NIN had their recording studio there (since it looks like recording equipment in the livingroom). Trent Reznor took the famous 'pig' door with him and it is now on his recording studio.
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Post by SwampFire on Feb 8, 2008 12:14:42 GMT -5
Do you think he was involved in any way with the Tate murders? Manson's story is that Terry Melcher, a record producer who lived in the house, went back on a deal to get Manson a recording contract. He was upset by it but let it go. Long afterwards Tex Watson got into some trouble with someone taking money from him ($5,000). He asked Manson what to do and Manson told him that if he felt big enough he should go get the money. Watson did just that but soon after people came to the ranch looking for Watson and the money. Manson told Watson to handle his business and Watson got scared and ran. Manson then dealt with the people by confronting them and telling them to leave which resulted in Manson shooting one of them in the shoulder. In their world, if one person faced death for another they felt that that person owed them something big. Watson knew that Manson was upset by not getting his record deal so he took it upon himself to go to the house on Cielo drive to get even for Charlie. Watson admits to all of this in his book. Manson knew they were doing something because Watson told him he needed the girls. I think Watson's intention was to surprise Charlie by doing it. The evidence for that is two-fold. When the killers returned to the ranch Susan Atkins showed Charlie the blood on her and said "see what I did for you, I gave you the world". Manson was upset because he knew all that they did would only bring the cops to him and cause him to be put back into prison. Secondly, Manson knew that Melcher no longer lived at the house on Cielo drive because he'd been to Melcher's house that he moved into from there. Watson did not know that Melcher had moved and made a horrible mistake in identity when killing the people in that house. Manson never changes his story and he doesn't appear to lie. I've watched countless hours of interviews and when asked something he doesn't want to answer he simply doesn't answer, he doesn't lie about it. He doesn't deny that he instigated the LaBianca murders, keyed from the Tate murders. He doesn't deny that he was present at the scene (LaBianca) and he doesn't deny that he influenced the thoughts of the group. In that way, he did have something to do with the Tate murders. I don't think any of that group would have done what they had done without Manson's influence.
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 8, 2008 12:31:09 GMT -5
I need to read Tex's book.
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Post by Spooky on Feb 8, 2008 16:01:45 GMT -5
I need to read Tex's book. Could that be a birthday present? But when you're done reading it, can I borrow it? LOL! ;D
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 8, 2008 16:16:35 GMT -5
A smart idea is if you read it first then send it.
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Post by Spooky on Feb 8, 2008 16:19:21 GMT -5
A smart idea is if you read it first then send it. That would be smart but not a good bday present.
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 8, 2008 16:22:35 GMT -5
It really wouldn't bother me abit. As long as you don't tell me all the dirty little secrets in the book.
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Post by Spooky on Feb 8, 2008 16:28:40 GMT -5
I'll have to see if I can find it first. I'll send you that and some really awesome fudge I found.
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Post by SwampFire on Feb 11, 2008 11:25:17 GMT -5
Okay, I have led myself and you all astray as I discovered when I re-read "In his own words" this weekend. Of course, I'm accepting this account over all others as it was written by Manson himself (with a pro writer's help).
I got the shooting incident wrong and, subsequently I got the Tate events a bit wrong too.
What went down is this:
Gary Hinman was a music teacher and friend of the 'family'. He also made LSD in his home that the family used and sold to make money.
Some bikers that bought some of this stuff from Tex told Tex that they wanted their money back because the stuff made them sick. Charlie told them to give back what they didn't use so they could talk to Hinman about it and the bikers said they tossed the stuff. Charlie didn't believe them but told them they'd talk to Hinman. Charlie sent Sadie and Bobby Beausoleil and a few others to talk to Hinman.
During this time, the bikers wanted their cash so they kidnapped one of Tex's friends and called Charlie and told him they were going to cut her up. Charlie went to try to talk to them and tell them he was dealing with it (in Tex's place, because Tex had taken off) and it ended up in Charlie shooting one of the guys who had the girl (this guy was a black panther).
Charlie thought he was dead and that's where the idea came from that the blacks were going to rise up against the whites, because a prominent black panther was dead by Charlie's hands. It turned out that he didn't die but Manson was paranoid and didn't find out until a year later that the panther was still alive.
So, the group discovered that Hinman had made a bad batch of junk and Charlie wanted to refund the bikers to get them off of his back. Hinman refused and it resulted in his death by Bobby B. Sadie and Bobby had written 'pig' and some other stuff on the walls in blood and then left in Hinman's two vehicles. Sadie returned to the ranch and Bobby B got high and went to sleep in Hinman's car. The cops found the body and then Bobby B in his car and then he was arrested for Hinman's murder.
At this point, Sadie was trying to figure out how to get Bobby out of jail. They (a small group, including Tex) decided to kill some people and write on the walls the same way they had at Hinman's so the cops would see that Bobby couldn't have killed Hinman because another murder that was the same happened while he was in jail.
The rest of what I said was pretty accurate except that Manson apparently did know a murder was going to happen, just not whose. In that way, he is, I believe guilty of the Tate murders too.
One other thing I'd forgotten is that Manson went to the crime scene after the killings at the Tate house to check it out between the time it happened and the time the cops came.
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Post by Spooky on Feb 11, 2008 12:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by Millergirl4 on Feb 11, 2008 12:12:05 GMT -5
I had heard (although it could just be rumours) that when Manson went to the Tate house after the murders that he wanted to restage the bodies to make it more shocking.
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