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Post by SwampFire on Aug 10, 2007 16:11:49 GMT -5
The Nazca lines in Peru, are they an homage to ancient gods? Are they artwork no different than other ancient artwork? Are they landing strips? Thoughts? exn.ca/mysticplaces/Nazcalines.asp**Note scale
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Post by beck on Sept 14, 2007 21:21:48 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]When I first learned of these decades ago, I did consider the possibility of extraterrestrial help, solely because at that time I'd seen a craft which I strongly believe to be not-of-earth origin. There is no question in my mind that this planet has long been visited by others, until science can prove to me that the two maneuvers I saw are possible in current-day aviation, and I'm not holding my breath on that one.
However, there's that pesky Occam's Razor. And my peskier brother who's an archaeologist. I now believe I've seen sufficient proof that natives of the day were capable of creating these designs on their own. But they sure are fascinating, aren't they?[/glow]
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Post by SwampFire on Sept 15, 2007 10:31:52 GMT -5
Sure, I also believe that the natives of the day could have created the lines. What I find very interesting though is the motivation for them to do so. Obviously, since the lines are so large in overall dimension they were constructed with the intent for them to be viewed from above. Who did they think were going to view them? The most obvious and succinct answer is that they were simply a tribute to their Gods.
As simplistic as that sounds I think it's amazing that the most ancient of peoples had relatively similar ideas about a creator and the necessity to pay homage to that creator. In Egypt, so the *official* story goes, the pyramids were constructed to honor the gods ,Pharoah, god in human form, as well as various underworld and overworld gods. Why the compulsion to build them so big? So they could be seen from above? Maybe. During the time the ancient Egyptians are credited (I say it that way on purpose) with building pyramids, so are ancient South Americans building pyramids. Ancients in Europe are carving and building the monolithic Stonehenge and even now we are discovering more evidence of monolithic stone sculptures and structures from ancients in Asia and Japan.
Why the seeming worlwide rush (okay, not rush, but in the time that man has been on the earth in current form, approx 120k years, it's a short time 2-3k years) to construct monoliths to honor gods of completely unrelated peoples and cultures? Why were they so massive and why are the motivations so similar? I can get myself all twisted up thinking about the probabilities of so many different peoples/cultures having so many similarities in religion when most all else in their existences were dis-similar.
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Post by beck on Sept 15, 2007 19:49:35 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Phew! I can tell being here is going to be good brain exercise. Pinch me, I'm dreaming As per the Lines, depends on several factors; I'd have to know more about what rites were typical of the time. Let's say the monkey, just for example, was a symbol of fertility in association with a certain phase of moon. Perhaps walking the lines or outline of the monkey on a certain moonphase was supposed to assist the fertility of either individuals, or a whole clan, or even just to cast luck upon their crops -- fertility can be read many ways, yes? Or let's try another example: say for instance the Bird was associated with victorious battle and insight to accomplish such. In that case, perhaps those who were due to be in battle would walk or even perhaps dance along the lines, in trying to reach a state of higher consciousness or focus their minds on being impervious to pain during the fight. In that area of the world and that stretch of time battles -- and even sports events -- decided many factors such as territory and leadership. One of the other things this portion of history teaches us is that there is ample proof of highly stylized rituals to these people of this time. Perhaps they were even just 'real estate' markers; maybe the individual drawing is 'facing' or pointing towards different tribes or even 'countries.' What I'm saying is, if you take a few facts of the culture and daydream a bit, you can really come up with a lot of theories on it. Sometimes on our journeys of logic and possibilities, we can overlook the obvious: Why are the pyramids so huge? Because their 'owner's' egos were beyond narcissic, and the 'greater the god' the leader thought he was, the larger the monument to his 'godhood' should be, so much so that it be designed to last until the literal end of time itself. What fascinates me about that area moreso than the Pyramids, is the Sphinx. Now THERE is something interesting. Just you wait until they figure out how old it REALLY is. The majority of historians have gotten this one wrong all along; the Sphinx is actually *thousands* of years older than the pyramids and other temples, monoliths, centers and paths around it. There's some solid evidence of this, and the implications of the date alone bring numerous marvelous possibilities and beg so many incredibly fascinating questions. Where is a similar monument to further herald the prescence of it's people? Nowhere, apparently .. OR, time and archaeology have not yet found it. While ya ponder *that* one, here's a pic of Bibliotheca Alexandrina, a commemoration of the ancient Library of Alexandria. Imagine where the human race might be today if it's original had never been destroyed ..[/glow] Photo courtesy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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Post by SwampFire on Sept 17, 2007 16:20:04 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300] What fascinates me about that area moreso than the Pyramids, is the Sphinx. Now THERE is something interesting. Just you wait until they figure out how old it REALLY is. The majority of historians have gotten this one wrong all along; the Sphinx is actually *thousands* of years older than the pyramids and other temples, monoliths, centers and paths around it. There's some solid evidence of this, and the implications of the date alone bring numerous marvelous possibilities and beg so many incredibly fascinating questions. Where is a similar monument to further herald the prescence of it's people? Nowhere, apparently .. OR, time and archaeology have not yet found it. Yeah, I read Graham Hancock's Message of the Sphinx several times over the years. I think there is clear evidence of water erosion at the base which would indicate that it is at least 11,500 years old and possibly even older. Now, what's earth shattering about that is that Egypt is the oldest 'modern' society that we know about. If it turns out that the Egyptians simply moved in to the Pyramids and didn't construct them or the sphinx (or some combination thereof) it will absolutely rewrite history and all that is predicated upon it. I've always believed history books to be fragile texts despite the tendency to call them rock solid proof of things past. The truth is, there is not a thing that IS rock solid. That little epiphany cost me some sleep over the years but what to do? It's just proof that yesterday exists only in the dreams of those who remember it. History is a collection of data favored to one side or another of a conflict (or some subtle venn diagram thereof). Not a word of it is 'factual' because if it were then it could be proven without the use of some past documentation. I don't believe the official story about pyramid building either. Some of the stones are the size of railroad cars and the joints between them are so precise that a quarter can't be fit into them. Some of the stones weigh 15-18 tons, or 30,000 to 36,000 pounds. If you assume a man can move 150 pounds then you're talking about 200 men with their hands on a block trying to move it vertically up a ramp? No way. I'm convinced they either had different construction techniques that we don't know about or they were built by a society that was more modern but further in the past.
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Post by SwampFire on Jun 16, 2008 8:30:47 GMT -5
Looks like George Lucas has been reading the same pages I've been reading for years and years Anyone seen the new Indiana Jones?
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Post by Spooky on Jun 16, 2008 14:59:10 GMT -5
Looks like George Lucas has been reading the same pages I've been reading for years and years Anyone seen the new Indiana Jones? Oooh you should become a director and cast me as your leading lady. Hopefully it'll be a movie about vampires and monsters and lots of heavy breathing and chasing and morbid things like killer trees and creepy kid like creatures who scare the crap out of you. Do I have to do the whole casting couch thing because I'm not that great of an actress? Ummmm.....I mean No, haven't seen it yet. Any good? Did you have some popcorn??
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